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Viewing cable 05BUENOSAIRES138, CODEL DODD MEETS WITH PRESIDENT KIRCHNER
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05BUENOSAIRES138 | 2005-01-20 15:03 | 2011-03-13 07:07 | UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY | Embassy Buenos Aires |
Appears in these articles: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1357064-controlar-la-inflacion-prioridad--de-kirchner |
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UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 03 BUENOS AIRES 000138
SIPDIS
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E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: PREL PGOV OVIP AR CODEL
SUBJECT: CODEL DODD MEETS WITH PRESIDENT KIRCHNER
REF: SECSTATE 10956
¶1. (SBU) Summary: President Kirchner told Codel Dodd that
Argentina appreciated President Bush,s and the U.S.,s help
and understanding the past few months. Kirchner reiterated
his support for President Mesa and Bolivian democracy. He
counseled engaging with Chavez rather than isolating him.
Kirchner reaffirmed Argentina,s desire to integrate itself
in the world economy and said U.S. capital had open doors in
Argentina. The Codel praised Kirchner for Argentina,s
economic recovery and thanked him for the GOA,s cooperation
on the War on Terrorism and its decision to deploy troops in
Haiti. The meeting was cordial and productive. End Summary.
¶2. (SBU) On January 13, Senators Christopher Dodd (D-Conn),
Bill Nelson (D-Fla) and Lincoln Chafee (R-RI), accompanied by
Ambassador Lino Gutierrez, called on President Nestor
Kirchner at the Casa Rosada. GoA Minister of the Presidency
Alberto Fernandez, GoA Consul General in New York Hector
Timerman, and local businessman Julio Werthein also sat in.
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The Economy
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¶3. (SBU) After initial pleasantries were exchanged, Senator
Dodd congratulated President Kirchner for his handling of the
Argentine economy. Dodd said it was almost incredible how
the Argentine economy had bounced back after the 2001-2002
crisis. Kirchner said the whole crisis had been incredible
and extremely painful for Argentina. Had Argentina followed
IMF prescriptions after the default, ""we would have
uncontrolled social problems,"" he affirmed. Instead,
Argentina opted for a ""gradual"" policy that has achieved
results. IMF policies have to be revisited ""there has to be
comprehension."" ""We are still in hell, but we are gradually
getting out,"" he added.
¶4. (SBU) Expressing optimism for the future, Kirchner
explained: ""Argentina is potentially a powerful country ...
we are not a Peru. In ten years, we will be an important
reference point in the region."" Kirchner stressed that
Argentina now had a fiscal surplus, and its well-targeted
social policies had avoided a social explosion. Tax
collections have increased as well. As to the more than
forty percent of Argentines who are below the poverty line,
Kirchner noted that Argentina measures poverty rates
differently than others. ""A poor Argentine would be lower
middle class in Brazil or Chile.""
¶5. (SBU) Important challenges remain. Kirchner mentioned
controlling inflation as a priority. The energy problem has
to be dealt with. There has to be more investment and
training for the work force. Of course, the debt issue looms
large. ""Yesterday we launched our debt offer,"" he observed,
and said that the offer was ""the best that Argentina can do""
at this time.
¶6. (SBU) Kirchner predicted that Argentina would earn the
world,s confidence and become a ""predictable"" nation in
time. ""We want to integrate ourselves to the world,"" he
assured. ""We want to be a serious country."" Kirchner
thanked the United States and President Bush for their
support for Argentina during difficult moments. He said U.S.
capital was welcome in Argentina. ""We have never had a
strange (i.e., corrupt) proposal from a U.S. company,"" he
boasted. ""As I told the president of General Electric
yesterday, we mean to fight corruption in Argentina, and U.S.
companies have open doors,"" he stressed.
---------
Terrorism
---------
¶7. (SBU) Senator Dodd also thanked Kirchner for his
country,s cooperation in the fight against international
terrorism. He related that the Codel had visited Iguazu and
had received briefings from Argentine law enforcement
authorities. Kirchner said Argentina is ""overwhelmed""
because of the length of its borders. ""We need radars ...
Paraguay is a problem,"" he said, although President Duarte is
an improvement over his predecessors. Smuggling is a way of
life in that area. Senator Dodd said that the Codel had been
able to observe how 6000 people cross the Friendship Bridge
each day in Ciudad del Este.
¶8. (SBU) Senator Chafee expressed his condolences over the
recent loss of life in the Buenos Aires nightclub fire. He
said that there had been a similar tragedy in Rhode Island,
and that his state would be glad to share its experiences
with Argentina (We have provided government of the City of
Buenos Aires a copy of Rhode Island,s legislative measures
after its fire). Senator Chafee praised President Kirchner
for maintaining a budget surplus, noting that the U.S.
currently had a budget deficit. Kirchner bragged that he had
always had a budget surplus during his 12 years as Governor
of Santa Cruz. ""Deficits are dangerous,"" he agreed.
------------------------
Latin America: Haiti ...
------------------------
¶9. (SBU) Senator Dodd commented that if there is one thing
that Fidel Castro and Milton Friedman have in common, it is
their negative opinion of the IMF. Turning to the situation
in the region, Senator Dodd and Senator Nelson praised
Argentina,s decision to send troops to Haiti. Kirchner said
Argentina wanted to avoid ""total chaos"" in that country.
¶10. (SBU) Kirchner opined that the situation in Latin
America had improved somewhat. He said he hoped that when
the Summit of the Americas takes place in Mar del Plata next
November, the U.S.-Latin American relationship would be at
another (i.e., higher) level. Kirchner said he would be
receiving Uruguayan president-elect Vazquez later that day.
He expressed his confidence that Vazquez would provide
""continuity"" to Uruguay.
---------------
... Bolivia ...
---------------
¶11. (SBU) President Kirchner told the senators that the GoA
had been helpful to President Mesa of Bolivia. Mesa,
Kirchner ventured, is a very good president -- Bolivia cannot
hope for a better one. He has numerous problems, including
an ""archaic left"" and a ""confrontational right,"" and he needs
support. Argentina is helping by buying gas. President Lula
of Brazil is also helping. Bolivian stability is important
to the region, Kirchner emphasized. (Comment: Thus
President Kirchner has come a long way from his initial trip
to Bolivia shortly after his election in 2003, when he met
with Evo Morales and ""did not have time"" to meet with Mesa.
End Comment.)
-----------------
... and Venezuela
-----------------
¶12. (SBU) On Venezuela, Senators Dodd and Nelson noted that
they had just traveled to Caracas and had a meeting with
President Chavez. Senator Nelson said that Chavez had said
that he wanted a ""new beginning"" with the United States.
Should the United States believe him? President Kirchner
said that all countries have to work together to ""integrate""
Chavez into the Hemisphere. It is better to work with him
than to exclude him. After all is said and done, Chavez
listens. Kirchner is convinced that Chavez is less dangerous
than is believed.
¶13. (SBU) The reality is that Chavez is the elected
president of the Venezuelans, Kirchner continued. Chavez is
neither a communist nor a socialist -- he (Venezuela) has
important investments in the U.S. Better to have Chavez in
MERCOSUR and talking to the U.S. and the EU than left out.
Kirchner said Chavez ""treats Argentine businessmen better
than he treats us (the GoA)."" Kirchner admitted that Chavez
often tries Kirchner,s patience. ""He talks too much!""
(Comment: Sources close to Kirchner have told us that the
Argentine President was livid when he shared a stage with
Chavez during the latter,s last trip to Argentina and Chavez
launched a 45-minute diatribe against the U.S. Kirchner
reportedly said that he would never let that happen again.
End Comment.) Kirchner believes that he and Lula can help
democracy in Venezuela. He reminded that he had met with the
Venezuelan opposition a number of times, including in his
last trip to Caracas.
¶14. (SBU) As to the Venezuelan opposition, they need to
analyze why they did not win the referendum and have to
present an alternative, Kirchner counseled. ""People
sometimes choose the lesser evil,"" he said. ""If the U.S.
acts with intelligence, Chavez will be neutralized,"" Kirchner
asserted. Senator Dodd said that President Uribe of Colombia
shared that view. Kirchner ended the Venezuela discussion by
reiterating that, ""As I told President Bush, we will
collaborate with the U.S. to improve the situation in
Venezuela.""
--------------
Final Comments
--------------
¶15. (SBU) Consul Timerman noted that the U.S. Congress had
been helpful for many years during the Argentine military
dictatorships. He said Argentina wanted to attract more U.S.
investment. Senator Dodd said it is important to continue to
have a good dialogue with the U.S. through the Embassy and
the Executive and Legislative Branches. He congratulated
President Kirchner on emphasizing human rights and pursuing
those guilty of the ""Dirty War."" ""It is important for the
young to understand what happened,"" he said.
¶16. (SBU) President Kirchner agreed that understanding the
past is important and stressed that Argentina is indeed
trying to do just that, but warned that it is a long process.
Kirchner thanked the senators for their visit. He repeated
his oft-stated description of Argentina ""trying to get out of
hell -- maybe we,re close to purgatory."" He said Argentina
""treasures the U.S.,s understanding"" of his country. He
ended the meeting by saying he hoped to see the senators in
Buenos Aires, Washington, or ""in my favorite city: New
York."" (COMMENT: The meeting was extremely cordial.
President Kirchner was relaxed and at ease with the Codel.)
¶17. (SBU) Codel Dodd did not have the opportunity to clear
this message prior to its departure.
GUTIERREZ